Croesor - Rhosydd (25/01/26)

vanoord

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Just a note that it is appears that one of the zip wires in Croesor is no longer intact as of today (which one is to be confirmed) and as such, anyone trying to undertake the through trip from Croesor to Rhosydd (or vice versa) might encounter an unexpected obstacle that might require a retreat to be made back up the two fixed ropes.

Ascenders are a must, as is the ability to use them!
 
At a very slight tangent, does anyone happen to have a survey with the 'high route' marked on it - I can find descriptions but not an actual survey?
 
I was reading a report on the through trip, dated July 2006, and there was a zip line in place then! I hope it wasn't the same one.

Chris.
 
I was reading a report on the through trip, dated July 2006, and there was a zip line in place then! I hope it wasn't the same one.

Chris.
The cable that snapped had been in for about 4 and half years. There was no Zipline in there in the summer of 2021.
 
If you'll forgive the cross-posting:


"Stainless might not be the best wire to use: it can work-harden and will fail because of that (usually at the end fittings).

Galvanised wire is less prone to work-hardening, but is likely to rust sooner.

In either instance it's not a great environment for wire, particularly with the loadings, ie the weight of people exerting a force on them almost perpendicular (while bouncing along the wire).

If the wire is rigged too tight then the force on the anchors is multiplied massively. From memory, at 5 degrees off horizontal, a static 18 stone bloke would put a 3.5T force on the anchors (and the wire). I did the calculation way back, so take it as an approximation not gospel.

And if there is physical damage to a wire, that will significantly weaken it.

While 8mm galvanised should have a nominal breaking strain of perhaps 5T, with 1/4 of the strands broken (and likely the remaining strands weakened by corrosion), it's only a matter of time until a reasonable-sized person with a bit of a bounce is going to exceed the remaining breaking strain.

That said, my memory is that the wire was more than 8mm, but that was a while ago.

When re-rigged it should be with 12mm / 1/2", the largest diameter that a 'normal' Petzl pulley can take - that should give closer to 10T breaking strain and give a bit more leeway - but it should not be trusted once it starts to rust."


I'd add to the above that the failure was *apparently* in the wire (not the anchors); and *apparently* there were broken wire strands in the cable. If that's the case, failure would have been a matter of when, not if.
 
I guess the challenge here is that some good natured folk installed it for people to enjoy. But there's no regular inspection or maintenance, so it stays until it fails.

Makes you wonder about the high zip lines...

Chris.
 
To go back to things said many times over the years... we should be very grateful to those who do install and maintain fixed aids in mines.

Also, we should be very aware of potential problems / wear to ropes and wires. They won't have been formally inspected, so it's up to the user to check that they're satisfied with the condition before use.

If damage is noticed, don't ignore it - if you can't / don't want to fix it, publicise it, (a) to reduce the risk that someone comes to harm; and (b) in the hope that someone sees the report and fixes it.

And we should entirely understand that some people who do install rigging and repair and replace fixed aids may not want anyone to know who they are.
 
To go back to things said many times over the years... we should be very grateful to those who do install and maintain fixed aids in mines.

Also, we should be very aware of potential problems / wear to ropes and wires. They won't have been formally inspected, so it's up to the user to check that they're satisfied with the condition before use.

If damage is noticed, don't ignore it - if you can't / don't want to fix it, publicise it, (a) to reduce the risk that someone comes to harm; and (b) in the hope that someone sees the report and fixes it.

And we should entirely understand that some people who do install rigging and repair and replace fixed aids may not want anyone to know who they are.
Well said .

Me & Chris tried to understand why the certain types of bolts was used in hafna that couldn’t be tightened, never got to the end of this . Was a thread about it

I had the intention of going back and cutting them off , putting new ones in , never got around to it .

I believe who ever uses any in situ AID does so at there own risk , there group leader could also check this for the less experienced members .
 
Tom said "Me & Chris tried to understand why the certain types of bolts was used in hafna that couldn’t be tightened, never got to the end of this . Was a thread about it"

As I understand it, bolts fitted one week would just pull out the next. This was due to a heavy presence of pyrite which decomposes to form hydrous iron oxide (ochre) and sulphuric acid. It was abnormally bad, even stainless bolts failed.

There is an upper level at Threlkeld in the lakes reported to me as similar, beware.
 
The zipline in CRTT has been replaced but the high level route is not to be used, the cables have been checked and are corroded!
Hopefully they will be replaced soon funds permitting.

So please avoid the high level route for the time being!
 
Is there anything to tell folk who are unaware down there?

Chris.
 
Re: The High Level Route-
The initial traverse line at the top of the incline has been temporarily removed to stop access. The abseil rope at the far end of the trip (the same chamber as the original 2nd abseil and zip-line over the lake) has also been removed to prevent access at that end also. All other access to the high level route has been removed currently.
Once a decision is made regarding replacing the cables, I will advise what the plan is and if/when the high level route will be reopened.
To keep that route open, the cables require replacing, ideally with Stainless Steel in the long turn.
 
@Speedycaver posted elsewhere

Due to the cost of Stainless Steel cable I have started a GoFundMe page to try and raise some money towards the maintenance work on both the Classic route as well as the High Level route, both of which see an enormous and increasing amount of traffic nowadays. It is either that or a consideration into removing the High Level route completely due to maintenance costs and liability, which I really don't want to have to do.

Below is a link to the GoFundMe page:

gofund.me


Here is a QR code too:

qr-code.png
 
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