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Incidentally, anyone point me to the route map online? I probably have a grubby well used one in a box somewhere. Probably bloodstained too!
 
Incidentally, anyone point me to the route map online? I probably have a grubby well used one in a box somewhere. Probably bloodstained too!
Take a copy quickly, not sure if it can stay here for long due to potential permission issues
PM me if you want PDF of Croesor/Rhosydd instead of this JPG snip
 
A quick glance at YouTube (stay calm people!) shows there's much to see below the waterline at Croesor, but is there anything to see at Rhosydd? dive videos seem notable by their absence
 
A quick glance at YouTube (stay calm people!) shows there's much to see below the waterline at Croesor, but is there anything to see at Rhosydd? dive videos seem notable by their absence
I was thinking about this actually and assume the answer is no. Rhosydd was mostly stripped when it closed where as Croesor obviously survived into the 1970s.

It's a shame the tunnel direct to the ffestiniog railway was never completed.
 
How long a length of light weight rope would you need with reflective markers to traverse the problem area? Might be overkill, but then again if it prevents a callout..
 
How long a length of light weight rope would you need with reflective markers to traverse the problem area? Might be overkill, but then again if it prevents a callout..
I think the only navigation problem is the squeeze from F into E, it does look blocked as you approach it (during darkness hours)

But rope or signs, Probably someone would remove them? The Croesor "up" rope was vandalised a few times a while back
 
I will go up sometime this week and take a sign down, maybe it will hope but we have nothing to loose if not. Perhaps we could make some relfective arrows out of tape - would rather not litter the mine with these though.
 
I think having the written instructions at the boundary as Alex has made is a great start. It gives people a bit of confidence that there is a way on, and maybe they have to try a couple of times, but it is there.
Is the floor well worn yet?, is that worth noting?
I agree that there are many ways to pitch the wording, and agree that being mindful of the target audience is very important. Could it be drawn out like a cave survey? Or 'inspired' by the actual plan but with all the extraneous stuff removed?
It could refer to BuddlePit, and ask people to let us know if they found them helpful?
Chris.
 
A simple plan like some of the Croesor ones would be better cutting out half the mine you don't need. I will add a buddlepit note on the bottom.
 
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I appreciate the old maps are copyright. Complaints elsewhere about "got lost, probably had no map". Posting a new version may only encourage inexperienced folks to experiment on the route. I can see some merit in just publishing an exit map, from the point of the rungs out of the lake.
Another point to consider is where those getting lost can't find the route to the no 9 exit. There's also a way up out of the Twyll if you get that far.
 
I appreciate the old maps are copyright. Complaints elsewhere about "got lost, probably had no map". Posting a new version may only encourage inexperienced folks to experiment on the route. I can see some merit in just publishing an exit map, from the point of the rungs out of the lake.
Another point to consider is where those getting lost can't find the route to the no 9 exit. There's also a way up out of the Twyll if you get that far.
Back to my comment that, as far as I know... people have only got lost (resulting in callout) during darkness hours, so you'd still need a plan/map to know where to exit to the Western Twll.
 
Hoofing effort lads. Nice one! Let's hope that reduces the call-outs for the rescue teams.
Is the blue rope that we put there any better for folk? Replaced that jug up with knot passing 😂
 
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